[games_access] Fwd: interesting discussion about makingSecondLife accessible to the blind

Robert Florio arthit73 at cablespeed.com
Sat Jan 13 15:57:51 EST 2007


When I was Student Government Association president at the Art Institute
online, still attending, we try to get our institution to purchase an island
but we didn't get very far. We researched formed committees for
presentations but I'll have to check it we have an island but I don't think
so.



Thanks for letting us know about the new committee in charge of hopefully
making second life accessible. Jeannie Novak, who helped start second life
with her partners was a constructor of mine at my school currently just
became The Game Art and Design program director so I'll contractor when I
can hopefully to work with someone about this. Unless we can create a
direct conversation with those people here in or group. Hopefully we can.



I found second life very cumbersome not easy to navigate and the interface
was very confusing to figure out not very intuitive. As a quadriplegic I
got frustrated navigating with my character.



Robert

www.RobertFlorio.com <http://www.robertflorio.com/>



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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Roome, Thomas C
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:17 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Fwd: interesting discussion about
makingSecondLife accessible to the blind



Fact one: SL has a disability group that come together to discuss the
issues.



Fact two: The lab have contracted someone to be there disability coordinator
and I am trying to work with him.



Fact Three: The University of Texas at Dallas have purchase an island for me
to work on the Accessibility issues of this type of environment. I am still
waiting on the island to be deliver by the lab.



This group needs to come together and help me to make sl better for all of
us and stop pointing out what could happen.



I know many people with disabilities in sl and some do have trouble and some
do just fine, but now since the lab have made sl open source application
then we can make a accessible client for all.



I suggest that we form a committee to look at this problem in detail?





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Thank You,
Tom Roome
ATEC Teacher Assistant
The University of Texas at Dallas
E-mail: thomas.roome at student.utdallas.edu





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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Thu 1/11/2007 5:39 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Fwd: interesting discussion about making
SecondLife accessible to the blind

Yes, this is true -- and actually since it's a "place of business"
for some that even Reuters international news service is following it
puts them into even more danger according to several US laws. SL is
not a game but an online world that allows users to create games...or
businesses...or classes...

And since users *can* (and I'm not saying will) make real money off
of their ventures...it places it into interesting legal territory.
Although...with SL really pushing their product at gaming
conferences, it makes them into a (sorry for the geekiness of
this...) a shape-shifter of sorts, allowing them to align themselves
as whatever form (business and concept-wise) is valuable to them at
whatever point in time.

The game versus simulation should tie up the courts a bit -- and SL
needs to clarify whatever position they intend to defend themselves
with. Whatever angle they go with...that will be on the legal books
for some time in the US (unless/until overturned).

Michelle


>Thanks for this! I've already posted my 2eurocents. Maybe we do need to

keep

>in mind that many consider Second Life to be "a simulation instead of a

>game" (to quote Margaret Robertson of Edge Magazine). While this may seem

>like a futile detail at the moment (games vs. simulation discussion), it

can

>make all the difference in the world - legally.

>

>Greets,

>

>Richard

>

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>

>To: <games_access at igda.org>

>Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:09 AM

>Subject: [games_access] Fwd: interesting discussion about making SecondLife

>accessible to the blind

>

>

>> Forwarding this for Eelke...interesting timing, as I'm about to guest

>> blog about accessibility of MMOGs on Terra Nova.

>>

>> Hey the American Blind Federation sued AOL...this was bound to happen

>> to online games eventually, especially since they are being used in

>> classrooms.

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>>>ate: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:28:11 -0800

>>>From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>

>>>To: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>,

>>> "Richard Tol van" <r.van.tol at bartimeus.nl>

>>>Subject: Fwd: interesting discussion about making SecondLife

>>>accessible to the blind

>>>

>>>Hey I sent this one yesterday to the games access list but it wasn't

>>>featured in today's

>>>mail.

>>>

>>>cheers Eelke

>>>

>>>

>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>

>>>Date: Jan 9, 2007 3:46 PM

>>>Subject: interesting discussion about making SecondLife accessible

>>>to the blind

>>>To: games_access at igda.org

>>>

>>>

>>>http://www.it-analysis.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2006/11/second_li

fe_class_action.html?mode=full
<http://www.it-analysis.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2006/11/second_life
_class_action.html?mode=full&hilite=13287#CM13287> &hilite=13287#CM13287

>>>

>>>People seem to have some radical opinions about the subject matter

>>>(especially with regard to the class action suit):

>>>

>>>"Don't get me wrong; I'm all for supporting the rights of the

>>>disabled, but this is beyond insane. What's next? Should they sue the

>>>Anderson Window Company for not making windows that verbally describe

>>>what's going on outside. I mean, really, those windows only work for

>>>people who can see, right? That's discrimination, right"

>>>

>>>Interesting is the response from Joshua Linden (founder linden labs)

>>>about how Lindenlabs is trying to do their best to follow the W3C

>>>guidelines but rather decided to make the Second life viewer open

>>>source so people can write their own viewers which support alternative

>>>input and output mechanisms such as screen readers. However I believe

>>>this will only work if accessibility features are supported on the

>>>server side. E.g. how do you classify & describe an object in

>>>Secondlife? (e.g. its the same problem with adding meta information to

>>>images on the word wide web see http://www.espgame.org/)

>>>

>>>~ Eelke

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>--

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>>>Eelke Folmer Assistant Professor

> >>Department of Computer Science & Engineering/171

>>>University of Nevada Reno, Nevada 89557

>>>Game Quality usability|accessibility.eelke.com

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>>>

>>>

>>>--

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>>>Eelke Folmer Assistant Professor

>>>Department of Computer Science & Engineering/171

>>>University of Nevada Reno, Nevada 89557

>>>Game Quality usability|accessibility.eelke.com

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