[games_access] My Golf Game - released

Thu Sep 23 18:04:42 EDT 2010

Hi guys,

Congratulations with the game. I agree with the posts that state that the 
game's description is somewhat misleading, tricky or confusing. Can it be 
played by the couple of thousand blind gamers who regularly visit 
AudioGames.net, for whom the term "accessible game" is as much part of their 
gaming culture and as important for them as it is for you? If not, and so it 
seems, then I would suggest being fair about who the target audience for 
this game is. We frequently get requests from family members and friends of 
blind gamers who would like to buy a game for their loved one. They might 
accidentally buy this game assuming it is accessible for VI gamers, based on 
quotes like "No matter your disability, you'll be able to enjoy golf just 
like everyone else."

Incidentally, why didn't you (try to) make it accessibly for VI gamers? Or 
did you?

Best regards,

Richard

http://audiogames.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] My Golf Game - released

I don't think anyone is saying that this isn't a great thing -- just that no 
one has played it yet because it's still a few weeks away from being 
finished. "Fully accessible" is a tricky term as well -- it gives the 
impression that it is "universally accessible," which I think many would 
agree is something that for mainstream games many never be possible.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm really excited about this game and have been 
talking with Chuck about it as his team puts the final touches on it! I 
think it will be accessible for quite a large number of people -- perhaps 
the largest for a mainstream game title!

Michelle

On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steve Spohn wrote:

> Hi Barrie and all,
>
> As far as AbleGamers criteria goes, my golf game is fully accessible.  As 
> I
> explained in the article at
> http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/vtree-and-ernie-els-launches-first-fully
> -accessible-golf-game.html you can use the mouse, keyboard, Xbox 360
> controller, touch screen, and/or voice recognition technology - basically
> anything to play this game.
>
> The game play is near one switch, with the arrow slowly sweeping until you
> click (mouse, spacebar, X button) then the power goes up and down once you
> set the arrow and you click to stop it.  The menus are not one switch but
> you can use the keyboard or voice recognition or mouse to jump right in 
> and
> start playing.
>
> This game is absolutely the first and only mainstream golf title built 
> from
> the ground up specifically to be played by disabled gamers.  This is not 
> an
> indie title or something run on an emulator, Vtree went out and convinced 
> EA
> to publish a game specifically targeted to the people we fight for 
> everyday.
> If that's not a win, I don't know what to call it.
>
> Perhaps our versions of "fully accessible" are slightly different but I
> don't know many disabilities that won't be able to play.  Even those who
> could only literally use one of your big red buttons will be able to play
> this once someone clicks on start for them.
>
> And for the record, I have to have people put DVDs in my DVD-ROM to play 
> but
> I don't count that against the accessibility.  It would be nice to have 
> the
> menus be completely one switch friendly, I agree with you, but in my 
> opinion
> that's kind of like someone giving you a Ferrari and telling you that it's
> completely free but you have to pump your own gas.
>
> I'm just grateful for the Ferrari :)
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> The AbleGamers Foundation
>
> www.ablegamers.com
> www.ablegamers.org
>
> Find me on Skype!  Username: Steve_Spohn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:56 AM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] My Golf Game - released
>
> Would have to play it first to say for sure. I would like to see a
> one-switch 3D golfing game where you can navigate the menus, and restart a
> game with the same interface. Don't know if it has or hasn't, but would 
> like
>
> a easy quick-start menu system too.
>
> Not sure if you can reconfigure the Xbox 360 control set-up either. Guess
> I'll wait and see from a proper accessibility review via AbleGamers, the
> Accessible GameBase, Game FWD or Deaf Gamers.
>
> I did like the look of things from this video clip though:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FL9gDtUkt8 - But can you play 9, 18 holes
> like that, or are you forced to use a point-and-click or Xbox 360 
> controller
>
> interface? At this stage, I don't know. I'm hopeful.
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] My Golf Game - released
>
>> Hi Barrie,
>>
>> well they are talking with other (great) guys about more features :-)
>> There is a vision and they are working to make great high quality
>> accessible
>> games!
>>
>> What would you change at the current games when you could?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>> Im
>> Auftrag von Barrie Ellis
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. September 2010 09:02
>> An: games_access at igda.org
>> Betreff: [games_access] My Golf Game - released
>>
>> I'll let the links do the talking here. VTree's "My Golf Game"....
>>
>> VTree's web-site: http://www.vtreellc.com/
>>
>> AbleGamers run down + money off:
>>
> http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/vtree-and-ernie-els-launches-first-fully
>> -accessible-golf-game.html
>>
>> IGDA GASIGS's 2007 Top 3 Accessibility Features for Golf Games:
>>
> http://gameaccessibility.blogspot.com/2007/12/top-3-accessibility-features-f
>> or-golf.html
>>
>> One-Switch take on Release:
>> http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2010/09/my-golf-game.html
>>
>> It's not a fully accessible golf-game, but it is a highly-accessible
>> looking
>> golf-game. I'm looking forward to reading a good accessibility review
>> before
>> buying personally.
>>
>> Barrie
>>
>>
>>
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