[games_access] 508 Compliance (Eleanor Robinson)

Fri Oct 19 14:15:25 EDT 2012

Yes Ian, when I taught at public universities 508 came into effect for
all course software whether or not it was on or offline. Reasonable
accommodations sometimes, however, included providing a tutor to read
what was on the screen and/or input the answers for the student or
teacher who needed the accommodation versus making the software more
accessible.

I don't have a specific example for you (ie, software type, etc) but
if you would like I could ask around to give you some
university/school examples, which fall under being government agencies
if they are public. I did teach many students with severe
disabilities, as University of Illinois has one of the country's
largest populations of students with disabilities and there are two
dorms on campus that were designed to be as accessible as possible and
a bus system to help students get from class to class. So, as
instructors, we were very aware of everything that was required for
any of our students with their personalized accommodation letters. And
the university provided tutors to assist students with audio versions
of textbooks, captions for videos, etc to the students who needed them
free of charge.

Michelle

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 508 does have specific standards for software and media, rather than on/offline it's more about content and purpose - you have to provide equivalent access to all data and information, so if for example a govt agency are using a game as a training tool that's where it would become more relevant.
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> I think we're safe enough from that. The decisions have already been made, UNCRPD is clear enough that games fall within its reach and the UK's CRPD-based law certainly covers it, but makes very clear reference to the concept of making reasonable adjustments rather than compulsory removal of all barriers.. it'll start becoming interesting in a couple of years time once players start to realise that the legislation is applicable and the definition of 'reasonable adjustment' starts to be tested, as with other industries.
> It's not CRPD stuff that I'm after though, what I'm looking for is something very specific, individual examples of games that are used within US government departments themselves (there are lots of them) that have had section 508 deemed either applicable or not applicable. All I can find reference to so far is people vaguely discussing it but never getting into it in any particular detail.
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>> Hi all, at risk of reopening the can of worms, is anyone aware of any precedents set for 508-regulated games used in government environments? I know the US govt uses games pretty extensively, but can't find any publicly available records of how legislation has been handled.
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>> Just to be clear I'm not trying to start debate on whether games can or should be regulated in this way, just looking for an example of where 508 has been deemed applicable, or just as useful, deemed specifically not applicable.
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>> Hi,
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>> European Countries and CRPD:
>> When it will come to a decision,
>> I realy hope that they will care about the "reasonable" part, too.
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>> Although there are lots of guidelines:
>> At the moment it is NOT reasonable to avoid barriers.
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>> > Hi all, at risk of reopening the can of worms, is anyone aware of any
>> > precedents set for 508-regulated games used in government environments? I
>> know
>> > the US govt uses games pretty extensively, but can't find any publicly
>> > available records of how legislation has been handled.
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>> > Just to be clear I'm not trying to start debate on whether games can or
>> should
>> > be regulated in this way, just looking for an example of where 508 has
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>> > deemed applicable, or just as useful, deemed specifically not applicable.
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> It is my impression from several workshops I have attended that 508
> Compliance refers to online content, not download or media content. This
> would be why some games would have to meet the 508 requirements and
> others would not.  If they are not online games, they would not be
> required to meet 508 requirements.
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> I may be wrong on this, but that is the impression I have from what I
> have heard.
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> Eleanor Robinson
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