[games_access] 508 Compliance - other laws?

Fri Oct 19 14:15:25 EDT 2012

Hi,

# Point 1:
at the moment I use this  for Germany:
WCAG 2.0 - international
BITV 2.0 - located WCAG for Germany - only for certain public government websites

BITV - for information systems, but used in practice for web.
WCAG and BITV are only useful for simple information websites, not "Web 2.0".

# Point 2:
There is something new for me:
We have laws that request the company has barrier free working places.
* Sozialgesetzbuch (SGB) Neuntes Buch § 81 
* Pflichten des Arbeitgebers und Rechte schwerbehinderter Menschen
* http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/sgb_9/__81.html

The Telekom (Telecommunication company) requests that all software
they use is barrier free. There seems to be also requests of other
Companies, but the is not well known in public. I was surprised to
learn about this.

Maybe there are similar laws in other countries?

# Point 3:
Someone ask me if there are software for group work that are
barrier free. E.g. lifray, Lotus, with wiki, forum, CMS, Chat, ...
Do you know something? Or are there EU projects?

# Point 4:
Section 508 "you have to provide equivalent access to all data and information,"
When I got this right it means: you can also provide a book as an alternative.
We discussed this some years ago.

CRPD: is different
When possible it has to be accessible.

Best regards,
Sandra

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Betreff: Re: [games_access] 508 Compliance (Eleanor Robinson)

508 does have specific standards for software and media, rather than on/offline it's more about content and purpose - you have to provide equivalent access to all data and information, so if for example a govt agency are using a game as a training tool that's where it would become more relevant.

Ian

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I think we're safe enough from that. The decisions have already been made, UNCRPD is clear enough that games fall within its reach and the UK's CRPD-based law certainly covers it, but makes very clear reference to the concept of making reasonable adjustments rather than compulsory removal of all barriers.. it'll start becoming interesting in a couple of years time once players start to realise that the legislation is applicable and the definition of 'reasonable adjustment' starts to be tested, as with other industries.
It's not CRPD stuff that I'm after though, what I'm looking for is something very specific, individual examples of games that are used within US government departments themselves (there are lots of them) that have had section 508 deemed either applicable or not applicable. All I can find reference to so far is people vaguely discussing it but never getting into it in any particular detail.
Ian

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> Hi all, at risk of reopening the can of worms, is anyone aware of any precedents set for 508-regulated games used in government environments? I know the US govt uses games pretty extensively, but can't find any publicly available records of how legislation has been handled.
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> Just to be clear I'm not trying to start debate on whether games can or should be regulated in this way, just looking for an example of where 508 has been deemed applicable, or just as useful, deemed specifically not applicable.
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> Hi,
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> European Countries and CRPD:
> When it will come to a decision,
> I realy hope that they will care about the "reasonable" part, too.
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> Although there are lots of guidelines:
> At the moment it is NOT reasonable to avoid barriers.
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> Best regards,
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> > Hi all, at risk of reopening the can of worms, is anyone aware of 
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> > environments? I
> know
> > the US govt uses games pretty extensively, but can't find any 
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It is my impression from several workshops I have attended that 508 Compliance refers to online content, not download or media content. This would be why some games would have to meet the 508 requirements and others would not.  If they are not online games, they would not be required to meet 508 requirements.

I may be wrong on this, but that is the impression I have from what I have heard.

Eleanor Robinson
7-128 Software

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